Week 5
Modifying and Improving Web Pages with
WIA Knowledge!
Can Groupboards Solve a Cultural Obstacle?"
esl_efl_ku
(15:29:18): Daf are u here
dygonza
(15:29:27): yes, let me invite tere
esl_efl_ku
(15:29:38): okay
Yahoo!
Messenger (15:29:47): teca2002pt has joined the conference.
dygonza
(15:30:10): I have invited Venny too
dygonza
(15:30:31): Maria left for work
vennysou
(15:30:32): Hello
dygonza
(15:30:36): hi Venny
vennysou
(15:30:49): dygonza?
dygonza
(15:30:54): oh, Buth has disconnected
dygonza
(15:30:58): Dafne, Venny
dygonza
(15:31:15): are you here Tere?
teca2002pt (15:31:22): yes, daf.
dygonza
(15:31:25): ok
vennysou
(15:33:11): how can we invite Buth again?
dygonza
(15:33:46): I have done it
Yahoo!
Messenger (15:33:58): esl_efl_ku has joined the conference.
esl_efl_ku
(15:34:06): oh..
dygonza
(15:34:12): ok, wb, Butyh
dygonza
(15:34:16): Buth
teca2002pt
(15:34:20): hi, buth.
esl_efl_ku
(15:34:20): yes
vennysou
(15:34:30): Dafne, how did you do that?
esl_efl_ku
(15:34:51): can you plz, tell me
dygonza
(15:34:52): just go to the friend menu on top of this window
vennysou
(15:34:53): I can't invite Buth as she is alread in the chatroom although she
had logged out
dygonza
(15:35:08): you click on invite to conference
Yahoo!
Messenger (15:35:19): jjcyd has joined the conference.
dygonza
(15:35:25): then you click on invite other
jjcyd
(15:35:29): hello
esl_efl_ku
(15:35:32): why is this venny what happended?
dygonza
(15:35:41): wirte the ID there and then click on invte
jjcyd
(15:35:43): hi,Daf, how are you?
dygonza
(15:35:45): hi Don
esl_efl_ku
(15:35:45): helo , again..sorry about the mess..
dygonza
(15:35:56): fine, Don, and you?
jjcyd
(15:35:59): hello,Teca. i am yaodong from china
jjcyd
(15:36:05): fine,too.
Yahoo!
Messenger (15:36:13): esl_efl_ku has left the conference.
jjcyd
(15:36:23): (teca knows yaodong)
teca2002pt (15:36:25): hi, yaodong
dygonza (15:36:27): Teresa is Teca
jjcyd
(15:36:50): from 'pt' i remember her.
dygonza
(15:36:54): ok Buth are you ready?
Yahoo!
Messenger (15:37:42): min121kimo has joined the conference.
dygonza
(15:38:00): Buth are you there?
esl_efl_ku
(15:38:07): okay, Vance and Susanne are not available
esl_efl_ku
(15:38:17): so are you guys to hear my story
min121kimo
(15:38:20): Hello all.
dygonza
(15:38:31): hi
vennysou
(15:38:32): yep, Buth
esl_efl_ku
(15:38:35): Hi Min and welcome
dygonza
(15:38:42): :listens attentively
esl_efl_ku
(15:38:44): Min is Venny's students..everyone
teca2002pt (15:39:12): hi, min.
esl_efl_ku
(15:39:16): okay, I will tell yu briefly what I came with here to WIA
min121kimo
(15:39:18):
vennysou
(15:39:27): Min WAS my student
jjcyd
(15:39:58): hi, yuyu( hyy).
hyy051
(15:40:07): hi, all
jjcyd
(15:40:11): yy is my colleague.
esl_efl_ku
(15:40:12): sory
esl_efl_ku
(15:40:20): sorry, Don,
esl_efl_ku
(15:40:31): Min is Don's student
min121kimo
(15:40:32): VennySu is my Great teacher.
vennysou
(15:40:34): Heloo, Yuyu
esl_efl_ku
(15:40:34): okay
dygonza
(15:40:44): :eager to hear Buth's story
esl_efl_ku
(15:40:45): I arrived here with a simple homepage
hyy051
(15:40:48): nice to meet you all
esl_efl_ku
(15:41:07): that I learned how to build at SUNY, and siple basics
jjcyd
(15:41:10): we are colleague and friends and neighbours
esl_efl_ku
(15:41:28): I started my search feeling there was Ye, of co
esl_efl_ku
(15:41:46): Yes of course Don
esl_efl_ku
(15:42:01): well, to make a long story short
jjcyd
(15:42:16): (waits for the short story)
hyy051
(15:42:18): can u introduce yourselves to me?
esl_efl_ku
(15:42:25): I tried several EVonline groups
jjcyd
(15:42:45): (let me try) they are busy,yu.
esl_efl_ku
(15:42:47): however, I found WIA is what I want
jjcyd
(15:43:02): dygonza is Daf from Spain
esl_efl_ku
(15:43:14): but at the begining it was starnge
jjcyd
(15:43:28): Min and venny are from Taiwan.
hyy051
(15:43:35): oic
esl_efl_ku
(15:43:37): I thought it is all about web tools and sites building
vennysou
(15:43:49): Dafne from Venezuela?
esl_efl_ku
(15:43:54): I became more of a boundary memebr
esl_efl_ku
(15:44:03): aCCORDING cHRIS
esl_efl_ku
(15:44:14): sorry about the caps
esl_efl_ku
(15:44:38): this mornign went to school and e
jjcyd
(15:44:39): yu, yourmic works?
hyy051
(15:44:48): not yet
dygonza
(15:45:10): :interested in Buth's story
vennysou
(15:45:20): and?
esl_efl_ku
(15:45:31): This is my first time using YM, and it looks like it's the last
time..
esl_efl_ku
(15:45:41): I prefer NOW, TI
jjcyd
(15:45:53): (hopes ku won't say last time)
esl_efl_ku
(15:45:59): See guys, we learn new things by doing them
jjcyd
(15:46:05): welcome back any time,Ku.
esl_efl_ku
(15:46:23): wy
esl_efl_ku
(15:46:30): Why Ddon?/
dygonza
(15:46:40): you are doing fine, Buth, go ahead with your story
esl_efl_ku
(15:46:54): Don, what has KU, to do with this? or I didn't get you?
esl_efl_ku
(15:47:05): okay..webhead
vennysou
(15:47:05): Buth, you'll get used to yahoo soon.
esl_efl_ku
(15:47:30): it's slow, and i find it duplicate the letters, or am I pressing
har
esl_efl_ku
(15:47:35): hard?
vennysou
(15:47:42): You can use audio if you want, Buth.
teca2002pt
(15:47:46): buth, ym is great when it works well. it seems to be like humans:
have its days!
esl_efl_ku
(15:47:57): well, Yeahhhhhhhhh
esl_efl_ku
(15:48:06):
vennysou
(15:48:21): yep, yahoo is great.
esl_efl_ku
(15:48:25): let's ask the rest of the group..Waht do you think guys?
esl_efl_ku
(15:48:41): Voice or text?
esl_efl_ku
(15:48:54): Votes, pleas?
teca2002pt
(15:48:57): i'd prefer text so we can get the log.
dygonza
(15:49:06): me too
esl_efl_ku
(15:49:08): yes, me too..
esl_efl_ku
(15:49:43): Well, today, during my 8:00am class KT
esl_efl_ku
(15:49:57): English for Science (ESP)
esl_efl_ku
(15:50:05): Daf, may help here
dygonza
(15:50:35): :smiles
esl_efl_ku
(15:50:49): we have to teach them theoratically how to take notes and outline
teca2002pt
(15:51:02): listens
esl_efl_ku
(15:51:07): but, they are not tested..until next course.
esl_efl_ku
(15:51:25): I wasn;t convinced of this method..
esl_efl_ku
(15:51:48): and used to show and tell the process
vennysou
(15:51:51): I'm curious of your absence policy
esl_efl_ku
(15:52:09): however, I end up behind ..
esl_efl_ku
(15:52:27): you can have a look at the syllabus venny
esl_efl_ku
(15:52:34): would you like me to project
vennysou
(15:52:38): I had.
esl_efl_ku
(15:52:42): okay
esl_efl_ku
(15:52:52): what is it you want to know venny/
vennysou
(15:53:01): continue your story
esl_efl_ku
(15:53:06): okay..
esl_efl_ku
(15:53:15): bottom line..
vennysou
(15:53:36): let's discuss how we deal with students' absence latter if you're
interested.
jjcyd
(15:53:47): goood topic,veny
esl_efl_ku
(15:53:48): today I taught for the first time a thew whole chapter of
jjcyd
(15:53:49): venny
esl_efl_ku
(15:54:04): yes, venny, it is an issue here
jjcyd
(15:54:10): I have ot teach huge classes of 60--80 studetns
jjcyd
(15:54:19): any ideas for me ?
esl_efl_ku
(15:54:26): let me finish this sentence guys and then start discussion..
esl_efl_ku
(15:54:53): 60-80 Ss ?!!
esl_efl_ku
(15:55:02): god bless, man!
esl_efl_ku (15:55:04):
jjcyd
(15:55:11): some unlucky teachers have over 100!!!!
vennysou
(15:55:27): get double pay?
esl_efl_ku
(15:55:33): yes, I know, how do you manage
esl_efl_ku
(15:55:46): VCenny!
jjcyd
(15:55:52): i shouted ot them
jjcyd
(15:56:07): i used a mic there
esl_efl_ku
(15:56:15): shouted at them?
jjcyd
(15:56:21): i used powerpoint files,too.
jjcyd
(15:56:47): double pay?NEVER.
esl_efl_ku
(15:56:54): is it a GE clas?
esl_efl_ku
(15:57:22): I want to finish my story plz..
vennysou
(15:57:28): how about giving Mic to Buth to continue her story?
jjcyd
(15:57:42): 4 teacher are going to the USA for further study , so their classes
were resized. // GE=general english?
jjcyd
(15:57:47): sure,
jjcyd
(15:57:50): plz
vennysou
(15:58:05): She has very good story of applying internet in class.
dygonza
(15:58:33): we would like to have the chatlog for our week 5 Evonline session
esl_efl_ku
(15:58:43): No, venny, I'm talking about f2f class today..
dygonza
(15:58:48): and all Webheads
esl_efl_ku
(15:59:24): and how vertual practice here at WIA affected my f2f teaching
approach,,actually improved
esl_efl_ku
(15:59:55): Helped do the thing I wanted to apply and impl;ement fast and easy
esl_efl_ku
(16:00:19): Have any of you felt this in your f2f classe?
jjcyd
(16:00:52): f2f=face to face,yu.
esl_efl_ku
(16:00:53): Thanks Daf, you are my gurd angel
esl_efl_ku
(16:00:56):
esl_efl_ku
(16:01:16): yes, this is the expre
vennysou
(16:01:33): applauds vividly
esl_efl_ku
(16:01:48): this is the exprression used at WIA, F 2 F
teca2002pt
(16:01:51): i feel that i want to do things but the internet connection at
school has not been working well and i can't trust it enough. i can't start a
project and then not be able to continue. that is too frustrating for students
and me.
dygonza
(16:02:23): right, Tere, technology is still unstable
esl_efl_ku
(16:02:36): Tere, hi
jjcyd
(16:02:38): i began my first web-based class wiht 60 students and it worked
pretty well.
esl_efl_ku
(16:02:43): es, the same here..
vennysou
(16:02:53): connection speed/quality is always a problem for me for online
activities.
jjcyd
(16:03:02): to beginwith, i just helped them wiht an epal program
teca2002pt
(16:03:25): actually, it did work quite well i«until this year. but they
decided to have a different person running the whole thing and it's a mess.
esl_efl_ku
(16:03:29): in my case, voice was blocked during a listening class
jjcyd
(16:03:46): WIA=webhead In Action ( who could explain webhead fro yu?)
esl_efl_ku
(16:03:47): it is because of the mentality
esl_efl_ku
(16:03:50): here,
vennysou
(16:04:21): we need more time to prepare the project but sometimes it just
doesn't work in class, and
esl_efl_ku
(16:04:28): Sso
vennysou
(16:04:43): we need to have a substitute activity instead.
esl_efl_ku
(16:05:04): Definitely
vennysou
(16:05:34): Although that's frustrated, we still need to go on, especially we
have Webhead and TI to support us.
esl_efl_ku
(16:05:41): I do this all the time, now..
jjcyd
(16:06:02): it is time-consuming indeed but what frustrates me most is that sme
students tend to think progress can''t be made overinght by using net resources
( they are being unreasonable )
esl_efl_ku
(16:06:25): yes, that's right, I feel more confident now..to come back to any
of you and ask about somethign..
esl_efl_ku
(16:06:35): I intend to use groupboard
esl_efl_ku
(16:06:48): have anyone used ?
jjcyd
(16:06:48): many teachers are suspecious of the technology.
jjcyd
(16:06:59): groupboard is powerful
jjcyd
(16:07:20): i am lucky ot have yuyu and two more teachers who are willing to be
supportive
esl_efl_ku
(16:08:25): we are all lucky to have eah other indeed
esl_efl_ku
(16:08:47): well tell about , how did you use it?
jjcyd
(16:08:56): our directors began to see that by using only pieces of chalks and
a book plus a recorder won't teach efficiently now.
Yahoo!
Messenger (16:09:17): vennysou has left the conference.
esl_efl_ku (16:09:29): LOL
dygonza
(16:11:12): well, it is not very extensive, Buth
esl_efl_ku (16:11:26): aha,
dygonza
(16:11:31): I just used it while chatting with individual students
vennysou
(16:11:34): sorry, I close the chat window incidently.
dygonza
(16:11:50): and we reviewed some vocabulary
dygonza
(16:12:03): while they practiced their drawing skills
dygonza
(16:12:11): they are architects-to-be
esl_efl_ku
(16:12:13): which one do you think is better, Gb or yahoo group?
esl_efl_ku
(16:12:22): oh, that's why..
dygonza
(16:12:34): it's different Buth
dygonza
(16:12:46): YG is a platform
dygonza
(16:13:02): Groupboard is only a tool
esl_efl_ku
(16:13:08): waht does invalid syntax means here on a box that poped up on my
desktop?
dygonza (16:13:24): no idea Buth
esl_efl_ku (16:13:41): !!
esl_efl_ku
(16:13:51): okay, go ahead please.
dygonza
(16:14:14): so, it was just a motivational complement to my online unit
esl_efl_ku
(16:14:27): I see..
dygonza
(16:14:45): students loved it
dygonza
(16:14:53): they like drawing
esl_efl_ku
(16:15:09): but I see chatting with my Ss is time consuming.Some students say
it improved their vocab. skill.
dygonza (16:15:11):
and in that way they learned new vocabulary by drawing it
hyy051
(16:15:30): can many students open their mouth online?
esl_efl_ku (16:15:35): aha..
dygonza
(16:15:36): yes, my students keep going back to me to practice their English
jjcyd
(16:15:45): not many, most are shy
esl_efl_ku
(16:15:56): do you mean they draw with you, or as an a homework?
dygonza
(16:16:05): after the unit was over
dygonza (16:16:12): with me
dygonza
(16:16:28): we were looking at pictures of buildings
esl_efl_ku
(16:16:37): what age are your Ss?
esl_efl_ku
(16:17:02): oh, freshmen..
dygonza
(16:17:06): and to learn the name of the different parts of the buildings they
drew, for me to check if their understanding was ok
dygonza
(16:17:19): they are bet. 20- 24
esl_efl_ku (16:17:49): aha.
dygonza
(16:17:59): they are in between their 2nd year at the unive and their last year
dygonza
(16:18:05): mixed groups
esl_efl_ku
(16:18:16): okay.
dygonza
(16:18:27): in English profienciency and in their arch. content
esl_efl_ku
(16:18:31): how often do you go there?
dygonza
(16:18:45): no, it was completely online
dygonza
(16:19:08): it was an online component of their f2f class
esl_efl_ku
(16:19:23): yes, like here.
dygonza
(16:19:30): I was the online mod.
esl_efl_ku
(16:19:34): if this is what i understood..
dygonza
(16:19:51): they had a f2f teacher there
esl_efl_ku
(16:20:03): oh, i see.
vennysou
(16:20:05): do your students ask such a questoin:
dygonza
(16:20:08): I had 60 students from 3 diff. courses
vennysou
(16:20:16): Are we learning computer or English?
esl_efl_ku
(16:20:19): and you meet them evryday, in cyberspace?
jjcyd
(16:20:36): do you ever teach students online not f2f,venny? ( i mean a class
of 10 or 20 )
vennysou
(16:20:58): no, we have f2f class
vennysou
(16:21:05): and we met online after class
esl_efl_ku
(16:21:17): how often venny?
vennysou
(16:21:19): and that's really time comsuming.
hyy051
(16:21:23): what do you do online?
dygonza
(16:21:24): my Sts. learn 3 things in my classes, English, architectural
content and tech.
jjcyd
(16:21:43): Daf, you are great!
vennysou
(16:21:46): I gave them activities/projects to do in MOO
jjcyd
(16:22:07): i know nothing about architecture.
esl_efl_ku
(16:22:16): yes, you are the MOO guy
jjcyd
(16:22:27): MOO are hard for most studetns
dygonza
(16:22:30): I did not know anything before i started teaching them
esl_efl_ku
(16:22:41): good question jjcyd.
jjcyd
(16:22:44): Buth , venny has built many beautiful MOO tools
hyy051
(16:22:47): do your Sts have to be there?
dygonza
(16:22:57): same with my Engineering classes (EST)
esl_efl_ku
(16:23:08): Daf, Yes, I know I have one of his chat rooms..
esl_efl_ku
(16:23:18): i will think of a way to use, later..
esl_efl_ku
(16:23:41): he is great, he invited me the other day to a wonderful
sute
Ccchicago!
dygonza
(16:24:00): who, Buth?
esl_efl_ku
(16:24:22): venny..the MOO guy..
dygonza (16:24:24): Venny's?
esl_efl_ku (16:24:32): No sorry
dygonza
(16:24:35): I have been to Don's
esl_efl_ku
(16:24:46): Vance invited me to Chicago
vennysou
(16:24:48): what do your students get most from your online activities?
esl_efl_ku
(16:24:52): and venny was there
dygonza
(16:24:58): I see
jjcyd
(16:25:04): ccchicago?
esl_efl_ku
(16:25:05): but venny showed me his Family Chat room
jjcyd
(16:25:17): on TI?
vennysou
(16:25:22): Buth, Chicago is not a MOO. it's the chatroom?
esl_efl_ku
(16:25:29): yes, it was posted already on the message page.
esl_efl_ku
(16:25:49): you can check Chigago , or i can sent it her..
vennysou
(16:25:52): ohh, Buth, yep. That's simple chatroom created by a simple
software.
esl_efl_ku
(16:26:09): okayyyy
esl_efl_ku
(16:26:12): here we we go
esl_efl_ku
(16:26:17): LOL
jjcyd
(16:26:17): good question,venny(vennysou: what do your students get most from
your online activities?)
vennysou (16:26:33):
There is always a question in my mind:
esl_efl_ku
(16:26:47): yes, back ther..sorry excues my confusion..please
esl_efl_ku
(16:27:00): didn't sleep for the last 35 hrs..
jjcyd
(16:27:15): super man!!!'
vennysou
(16:27:17): Why do we use the technology in class? Does it worth it?
esl_efl_ku
(16:27:38): Yes,venny.
jjcyd
(16:27:43): venny ,good question again
jjcyd
(16:28:02): please elaborate,Buth.
esl_efl_ku
(16:28:14): some teachers here raised the same question venny.
esl_efl_ku
(16:28:29): Are we to teach Computer or English?
vennysou
(16:28:30): I/WE spend more time and money by using the new tech.
jjcyd
(16:28:32): (waits hopefully)
vennysou
(16:28:55): Does it worth?
esl_efl_ku
(16:29:20): well from my experience I can say that the computer and Internet
have added a lot of things to the English classroom, or language in general.
esl_efl_ku
(16:29:35): 1) Fun and interest.
jjcyd
(16:30:08): Interest is the best teacher for students( for all, in fact)
esl_efl_ku
(16:30:11): 2) Friendly interaction andd informal communication between
teachers and Ss.
vennysou
(16:30:25): but not all students are interested in new tech/computer
vennysou
(16:30:34): some are tech-phobia
jjcyd
(16:30:35): that is true, venny
jjcyd
(16:30:50): some are cyperphia
esl_efl_ku
(16:30:55): yes, i agree...but here, I found most of them like it..
jjcyd
(16:30:59): phobia
vennysou
(16:31:22): most of them will like it if
esl_efl_ku
(16:31:25): I find the phobia is asyndrome of teachers here..
jjcyd
(16:32:02): one of my students complained only yesterday that when I asked them
to email an american student, they felt like crying
vennysou
(16:32:07): get used to the skill or get familiar with the system/skill
jjcyd
(16:32:25): she used the term: like a mouse fears teh mouse
esl_efl_ku
(16:32:27): In addition, 3) It helps us teachers toi implement constructive
teaching easiely.
jjcyd
(16:32:47): later, she discovered the fun and wrote a nice email
hyy051
(16:33:00): use the powerful resources to activate the
students'motivation
to learn language.
vennysou
(16:33:19): But besides internet resources,
jjcyd
(16:33:28): stands up and applauds
vennysou
(16:33:38): there are many other sources that we still can use.
jjcyd
(16:33:58): too many that we smoetimes get lost
hyy051
(16:33:59): such as...?
esl_efl_ku
(16:33:59): Venny, you are absolutely right.
esl_efl_ku (16:34:14): Video, audio tapes..etc..
jjcyd
(16:34:19): i found MOO the best text-based tool
esl_efl_ku
(16:34:28): nobody is agoinst them.
vennysou
(16:34:35): I agree with you, Yaodong, but
jjcyd
(16:34:39): it required less bandwidth and connection speed
jjcyd
(16:34:51): ponders the meaning of life
esl_efl_ku
(16:35:21): okay, could you remind please of MOO, I know it but can't remeber
waht is it, example please,/
vennysou (16:35:25):
students need to overcome the first difficulty.
esl_efl_ku
(16:36:07): what is the first difficulty in your case Venny?
vennysou
(16:36:13): MOO= MUD, Object Oriented
hyy051
(16:36:14): what's the first difficulty?
esl_efl_ku
(16:36:27): ohhhhhhhhhh, yes, ..right.
jjcyd
(16:36:32): to show us how to use it?
esl_efl_ku
(16:36:45): yes. remebered
vennysou
(16:36:47): difficulty: commands (although it's VERY simple.)
jjcyd
(16:36:51): to impress Yu and Buth,?
esl_efl_ku
(16:36:56): how do use it in your class venny/
jjcyd
(16:37:02): very simple indeed.
jjcyd
(16:37:13): teh basci commands are easy
vennysou
(16:37:20): But for EFL or ESL students, they are not used to
vennysou
(16:37:35): meet an environment with only English.
jjcyd
(16:37:47): agrees
vennysou
(16:37:54): They feel to fall into an English text jungle.
jjcyd
(16:38:11): so far, i have only succeeded in getting 3 oor 4 studetns to fell
for MOO
jjcyd
(16:38:22): stands up and applauds
jjcyd
(16:38:45): they like the fanciful website not text-based MOOs
jjcyd
(16:38:53): or prefer..
vennysou
(16:39:44): but I prefer text as it gives your space of imagination.
esl_efl_ku
(16:40:21): I can see Vance and have just invited him.
jjcyd
(16:40:26): just now i tried getting a teacher from Qinhuandao to try
Grassroots and she showed some interest in it. she took the train wiht me
thkere.
esl_efl_ku
(16:40:44): but got a pop up saying something about voice again!
jjcyd
(16:40:45): yu, it is not very hard ot remmeber the few basic commands
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dygonza
(16:41:25): hi Vance
vennysou
(16:41:27): what does your students' response to your internet oriented
teaching?
vance_stevens
(16:41:46): hi all
vennysou
(16:41:50): Hello, Vance
teca2002pt (16:41:56): hi, vance.
jjcyd
(16:42:07): Hi, vance.how are U?
jjcyd
(16:42:10): stands up and applauds
vance_stevens
(16:42:30): checking out a manual in another window
esl_efl_ku
(16:42:57): Hello Vance.
vennysou
(16:43:13): Do you think it's worth for you to contine?
esl_efl_ku
(16:45:01): lets' touch on some cultural aspects.
esl_efl_ku
(16:45:56): Well I'm thinking of using two GB one for the F. Ss and the other
for the M.Ss to avoid male SS harassing F Ss.
esl_efl_ku (16:46:09): Gb.
esl_efl_ku
(16:46:31): Daf,
esl_efl_ku
(16:46:43): what do you think/
vennysou
(16:46:49): harassment?
dygonza
(16:47:16): I do not know, Buth, it is different in my country
esl_efl_ku
(16:47:19): when you hear a knowckoing , waht does it mean here in Ym?
vennysou
(16:47:32): How will you use GB?
dygonza
(16:47:33): somebody is connecting
esl_efl_ku
(16:47:38): I hear Vance knowcking!
esl_efl_ku
(16:48:07):
vennysou
(16:48:22): ?
esl_efl_ku
(16:48:25): well, due to earlier experienc
dygonza
(16:48:30): He lost his connection
vennysou
(16:48:32): not sure about the sound meaning.
esl_efl_ku
(16:48:44): oh, so what should I do, invite again?
dygonza
(16:48:53): no, he lost connection, Buth
esl_efl_ku
(16:49:20): but i can see his name on the board
vennysou
(16:49:44): but in the yahoo windwo, he lost connection
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esl_efl_ku
(16:49:48): is this normal with YM
dygonza
(16:49:53): wb, Vance
esl_efl_ku
(16:50:01): oh, hi..
vance_stevens
(16:50:04): Hello, back again
esl_efl_ku
(16:50:20): Vance, this my first time as you know
esl_efl_ku
(16:50:34): so please bare with my ignorance on YM
vance_stevens
(16:50:41): bear with you?
esl_efl_ku
(16:50:53): nooooooo
vance_stevens
(16:50:54): could you hear me just now?
jjcyd
(16:51:04): nope
vennysou
(16:51:12): no voice here
jjcyd
(16:51:16): no sound.
vance_stevens
(16:51:18): I had two listeners
esl_efl_ku
(16:51:22): heard the dorr, noise only
jjcyd
(16:51:27): Vance, yu has a question about 'honours course' .
vennysou
(16:51:28): hear you
jjcyd
(16:51:40): what does 'honours ' mean here?
vance_stevens
(16:51:44): had 3 listeners there
esl_efl_ku
(16:51:49): whay can't we hear?
vance_stevens
(16:52:12): usually that's a kind of course that you need high qualification to
enter?
jjcyd
(16:52:16): psychology
jjcyd
(16:52:28): oh?
jjcyd
(16:52:32): yu, see it?
vennysou
(16:52:50): see what?
esl_efl_ku
(16:53:51): waht course areyou talking about, please?
esl_efl_ku
(16:54:10): psychology for Englis Ss/
hyy051
(16:54:28): yeah. after finishing such courses, what certificate will we get?
esl_efl_ku
(16:54:44): we?
hyy051
(16:56:02): sorry, not we, the students
jjcyd
(16:56:20): who are te studetns?
vance_stevens
(16:56:33): is this college?
esl_efl_ku
(16:56:49): okay..
hyy051
(16:57:24): i want to know the differences between the "honours
course" and " master course" of postgraduate students
vance_stevens
(16:57:45): Where are you a student?
hyy051
(16:58:19): she will be in south Africa
vance_stevens
(16:59:01): I don't know about the South African system.
esl_efl_ku
(17:00:27): Vance, in your last message you included tips and links of games..
esl_efl_ku
(17:00:37): thanks..
esl_efl_ku
(17:00:47): i tried othe difficult game
hyy051
(17:00:48): it is said the south african system is the same to Brirain.
vance_stevens
(17:00:55): those are neat, aren't they
esl_efl_ku
(17:01:03): you recommended for helping Ss to predict
esl_efl_ku
(17:01:11): http://www.geocities.com/esl_efl_ku/tips_vance_wia.htm
esl_efl_ku
(17:01:37): plekindly go there and and let's check how that one i tried work,
vennysou
(17:01:46): stickman?
esl_efl_ku
(17:02:00): yes
esl_efl_ku
(17:02:04): did you try it
esl_efl_ku (17:02:07): venny?
vance_stevens
(17:02:13): I did that one today
vennysou
(17:02:19): I jsut entered there
esl_efl_ku
(17:02:38): aha, manged to have the image in fornt of the TV annoucer/
vance_stevens
(17:02:39): You can get clues right off the web site. It's well done
esl_efl_ku
(17:03:07): yes, but it's really puzzling.
esl_efl_ku
(17:03:32): does the image have to saty behind?
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esl_efl_ku
(17:03:51): couldn't find the reply button.
esl_efl_ku
(17:04:06): Aood left.
esl_efl_ku
(17:04:24): shall invite him again/
jjcyd
(17:05:25): hey, this si good for us all:
vennysou
(17:05:30): Sorry, I have to leave now.
vance_stevens
(17:05:37): nice to see you
esl_efl_ku
(17:05:43): thank you venny.
esl_efl_ku
(17:05:54): please saty in touch.
jjcyd
(17:06:23): must leave ,too.
vennysou
(17:06:24): I'd better get some sleep as I have to get up early for students'
flag raising ceremony
jjcyd
(17:06:34): gnite and thanks for everythibng
esl_efl_ku
(17:06:45): oh, okay. It's the weekend here.
esl_efl_ku
(17:06:52): just started .
vennysou
(17:06:54): See you latter.
esl_efl_ku
(17:07:03): later, and thaniks again.
jjcyd (17:07:08): c u ,venny.
esl_efl_ku
(17:07:10): for coming and sharing.
vance_stevens
(17:07:29): weekend for me too
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esl_efl_ku
(17:07:58): are they effective?
esl_efl_ku
(17:08:06): or just like any chat room..
vance_stevens
(17:08:11): of what?
esl_efl_ku
(17:08:19): in the sense of facilities.
esl_efl_ku
(17:08:28): Groupbooard.
esl_efl_ku
(17:08:49): GroupBoard.
vance_stevens
(17:08:50): but for small groups, great
esl_efl_ku
(17:08:59): how small?
esl_efl_ku
(17:09:14): 20 or 10
vance_stevens
(17:09:42): just 4 or 5 on the free version
esl_efl_ku
(17:09:46): i mean like in the chinese classroom..what is samll group/
esl_efl_ku
(17:10:08): okay, 4 to 5.
esl_efl_ku
(17:10:51): Daf, the last question was how often do you see your students? it
sounds like an amzing experience you had?
esl_efl_ku
(17:11:07): could tell us , please..some of it..?
esl_efl_ku
(17:11:43): okay, if yo think time is up, ..
dygonza
(17:11:47): well, that is what I was talking about last night
dygonza
(17:12:05): you will see the chatlog posted later today
esl_efl_ku
(17:12:13): are you going to talk about it agin tomoroow?
dygonza
(17:12:15): yes, I think it is time
dygonza
(17:12:19): yes, Buth
esl_efl_ku
(17:12:47): okay, then.Thank you very much for all the help and support.
teca2002pt
(17:12:48): thanks, buth. nice chat. it wasn't that hard, was it?
teca2002pt
(17:13:10): from now on it'll be much easier.
esl_efl_ku
(17:13:11): Oh, don,m sorry,
esl_efl_ku
(17:13:20): forget about you here..so sorry
esl_efl_ku
(17:13:31): thanks for coming
esl_efl_ku
(17:13:45): but we didn't tackl;e the cultural aspect, rmeber
teca2002pt
(17:13:46): buth and everyone!
vance_stevens
(17:13:57): Buth, on that tips page, can you just put somewhere the source of
the quote
esl_efl_ku
(17:14:18): sorry, i'm bad with names, ..
vance_stevens
(17:14:24): like, from a posting Feb 18 to the evonline2002_webheads list
vance_stevens
(17:14:33): and say it was quoted with permission
esl_efl_ku
(17:14:34): teca2002 is not Don, right?
teca2002pt (17:14:49): no, it's teresa.
dygonza
(17:15:13): well, need to go now, folks
jjcyd
(17:15:20): I am known as DON to my western friends online.
jjcyd
(17:15:29): Daf, good evening.
esl_efl_ku
(17:15:30): So sorry Teresa..
esl_efl_ku
(17:15:49): okay, Vance I will,
teca2002pt
(17:15:57): no harm done!
vance_stevens
(17:15:59): thanks
esl_efl_ku
(17:16:04): goodnight Teresa, and thanks a lot for coming.
esl_efl_ku
(17:16:18): appreciate it.
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esl_efl_ku
(17:17:16): My main question now: how do i get organized? How do you manage
Vance? with all the things you are doing and forgetting names?
esl_efl_ku
(17:17:31): how do you keep track of everything?
vance_stevens
(17:17:43): I don't know really
vance_stevens
(17:17:57): what you see is the organized tip of the iceberg
esl_efl_ku
(17:18:03): I don't know?
vance_stevens
(17:18:11): LOTS of stuff lurking under that lump in the rug
esl_efl_ku
(17:18:36): The lurkeing stuff ?
dygonza
(17:19:19): thank you Buth, great start
esl_efl_ku
(17:19:27): Iseriously,
esl_efl_ku
(17:19:36): what about you DAf?
esl_efl_ku
(17:20:01): okay, Daf, thanks a lot.
esl_efl_ku
(17:20:15): you've been of great help tonight.
esl_efl_ku
(17:20:27): without you, this chat would have never occured.
dygonza
(17:21:09): I do not think so, buth
esl_efl_ku
(17:21:22): I will ask you later, or you have lurking stuff too?
dygonza
(17:21:23): but it has been my pleasure to share with you
dygonza
(17:21:35): need to go now, a big kiss
esl_efl_ku
(17:21:37): yes, I mean , Daf.
esl_efl_ku
(17:21:50): Remember the mess at the begining
esl_efl_ku
(17:22:17): without your scuffolding and guidance..this would not have happend.
jjcyd
(17:22:21): good night/evenng,all.
dygonza
(17:22:28): bye dear, thanks a lot